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mrissa ([personal profile] mrissa) wrote2011-03-03 09:37 pm

Gender-swapping characters

So [livejournal.com profile] timprov and I were having a bit of a sigh and a bit of an eye-roll about Ursula LeGuin's post on The Tempest, and we got to talking about gender-swapping characters. I firmly believe that any particular character can have that done, but not always without altering the story immensely--sometimes the entire setting has to be redone in order to make it work. And [livejournal.com profile] timprov brought up Jean Valjean as an example of this: you can write a woman Valjean, but Jeanne Valjean needs a different setting completely to be able to do the things Jean did.

This brought him to suggest that Katee Sackhoff would make a truly awesome Javert, and I loved the idea: the girl born to prison life instead of the boy, the tough-as-nails young woman for whom the law is not mocked. (For those of you not keeping score, Katee Sackhoff was Starbuck on the new Battlestar Galactica.) I don't even know if she can sing. I don't even care. I just really like this idea. "Men like you can never change, a man...such as you...."

(I had a conversation that made me aware of some of my conversational assumptions this morning, and I'm now noticing that I feel the need to flag a popular actress but not the characters from Les Miserables. Oh, assumptions.)

Also: Dr. Spencer Reid of Criminal Minds is a very different person if she is Dr. Stephanie Reid, the team's little sister figure and the daughter of a mentally ill medievalist, and yet a lot of the Reid-peril stuff in early seasons plays out exactly the same.

Anyway. Anybody else have some ideas for what stories would shift interestingly if a character's sex was swapped, and which ones would actually look substantially similar?
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[identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com 2011-03-04 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
*confession* Haven't even read the book. I spotted it -- at age 16, where my slash goggles had only developed to the point of thinking Ponyboy and Johnny needed to kiss during the "Stay gold, Ponyboy" scene and WTF was that all about? -- watching the original West End cast performing it.

Didn't hurt that Enjolras was smokin' hot, of course.

But despite them leaving it out of the musical in an overt fashion -- DAMN it was still there.

[identity profile] ellen-fremedon.livejournal.com 2011-03-04 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
What are Johnny and Ponyboy from?

And, here (http://books.google.com/books?id=5i5AAAAAYAAJ&dq=les%20miserables%20grantaire%20enjolras%20two%20at%20one%20shot&pg=PA51#v=onepage&q&f=false). Two of the slashiest pages you will ever read.
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[identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com 2011-03-04 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
The Outsiders. Slashiest YA you could ever hope to read, and the movie had Ralph Macchio and C. Thomas Howell in the roles, plus bonus Matt Dillon inna towel. I have missing-scenes slash cooking away in the back of my head (for after I finish a Lucius Malfoy/OFC secretary fic that's a present for a friend) because it's SO DAMN OBVIOUS where it goes.

[identity profile] ellen-fremedon.livejournal.com 2011-03-04 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
*adds to TBR list*
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[identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com 2011-03-04 07:41 pm (UTC)(link)
"The hideous potion, absinthe-stout-alcohol"

THAT'S LIKE DRINKING JAEGER BOMBS, WITH THE ALCOHOL TURNED UP TO ELEVEN

NO WONDER HE WAS SO DRUNK
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[identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com 2011-03-04 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
...yeah, holy shit, slashy. Obvs. does not happen that way in the musical, either.

[identity profile] ellen-fremedon.livejournal.com 2011-03-04 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. It's pretty amazing.