"If you want to be a spyyyyyy like me."

[mrissa]

Here is the really annoying thing about reading a bunch of spy novels lately: they are the only genre I have read very many of that are all written by one category of person, by which I mean men. Everything else I have read lots of, if I start feeling like, hey, this is all women or all Americans or like that, then I go and get something that isn't.

And I've already read all the Ally Carter things.

So help! Somebody tell me some good spy novels written by women!

Please note that this is a perfectly reasonable time to say, "Hey, I notice that too, I sympathize," but not really a reasonable time to say, "This one by a guy has a good woman character in it," or, "This one by a guy has noticed women exist other than as backdrops," or, "This one is by a dude and just plain good." I do not dispute that men can write good spy novels. I am glad to read them. I just also want to read good spy novels by women, and I don't see why I shouldn't get to have both. I realize this may mean that I have to write them, but, well, I hope it doesn't, is what. Or at least I hope that's not the only thing it means.

Comments

[shewhomust.livejournal.com]

Stella Rimington, former Director General of MI5, has written a number of spy novels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Rimington#Publications). I haven't read any of them, they've had decent reviews, but in terms of redressing gender balance that's got to count for something.

[reveritas.livejournal.com]

Does Donna Leon count? It's police procedurals set in Venice!

[reveritas.livejournal.com]

But nobody is a spy -- all cops or PIs. So I guess not. Still, recommended ... if you have an empty reading pile someday. ;)

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

Oh, go you! I have placed a hold on one at the library. Thanks so much.

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

I do like good book recs, but right, the spy aspect was key here for the immediate-term.

[nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com]

Great question. I'm not well-versed in the genre, so I only have one recommendation and it may not be appropriate. Leslie Silbert's THE INTELLIGENCER is about spies, but it's also a "secret history" about Marlowe's spy work, so perhaps that disqualifies it.

Do let us know what you find with a contemporary or modern spy theme!

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

Thanks, that's not outside the envelope, although not as modern as would be ideal. I've asked the library for their copy of that too. Much appreciated.

[1crowdedhour.livejournal.com]

The best half of Manning Coles is a woman. The books become much less enjoyable after she died and the man half continued alone. Start with A Toast to Tomorrow, perhaps...

[carbonel]

I would in fact love for you to write a good spy novel, even though the genre in general is too noir for my tastes.

Even if you do find what you want.

[aamcnamara.livejournal.com]

I believe the Mrs. Pollifax novels were written by a woman. (Though you may have read those already.)

[the_rck]

I don't know how possible it is to find her stuff these days, but you might try Helen MacInnes. She wrote during the Cold War and wrote several novels set around the Second World War. I have no idea how well her books have aged, but I remember liking them in the eighties, when I was a teenager.

[sillylilly-bird.livejournal.com]

Have you read Helen McInnes?

[sillylilly-bird.livejournal.com]

beat me to it :)

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

This is, I promise, not going to be too noir.

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

Ten million years ago, yes; probably it would do me no harm to reread them.

[jhetley.livejournal.com]

Second the recommendation for the earlier works.

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

Ah, another one the library has. Good, thanks.

[oursin.livejournal.com]

I think Ann Bridge had a number of novels in which the heroine got mixed up in spying type activities, if not actually a professional spy herself. Ditto Mary Napier.

Also have some vague recollection of Evelyn E Smith's Miss Melville books possibly falling into the relevant category (or was she a freelance assassin? haven't read them them recently enough to recall).

[laurel]

I know what you mean. Alas, I can't think of any good ones written by women, but I hope there are some out there.

Not what you're asking for, but TV and movies are more my thing, I suppose. The word "spy" makes me think of the TV shows MI-5 (a.k.a. Spooks in the U.K.), Alias (even if it has fantastical elements in it, it has kickass spy women and some eps were written by women), among others. And I just recently watched the Blu-Ray of Spy Game which is one of my favorite spy movies because it's more realistic than most. I mean, it's all about Robert Redford sending and receiving timely faxes, more or less. Heh. (I already had it on DVD, but was suckered into the Blu-Ray because it had extra features).

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

I have been watching MI-5 from the library, and I have Alias on my wish list, so I'm definitely not opposed to TV stuff. Today I've started watching Sandbaggers.

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

She looks pretty well guaranteed to be in at the library!

[kalmn.livejournal.com]

What season are you in? Because I finished season 10 and the series last fall and need someone to discuss it with. Can't do it with someone who isn't done, though- s10 wraps a bunch of stuff up.

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

Aheh. I am not yet done with season three. So I am so not that person yet.

[vcmw]

Since you have a few spy movie/TV recommendations, I'm sort of wondering if you've seen D.E.B.S.? I enjoyed watching it but it was quite a few years ago, so I'm not sure how it held up. I remember it as being fairly charming and harmless but the suck fairy could have gotten in to it while I wasn't looking. It could be particularly amusing to compare with the Ally Carter books, because there are similarities in the setup (young girls recruited to a spy school, missions that are complicated by romance).

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

I am not familiar with this! And I am really amused that when I looked at the library, what I got was a biography of Eugene Debs.

[kalmn.livejournal.com]

WATCH FASTER.

[shana.livejournal.com]

I was going to suggest Ann Bridge. And Miss Melville was a freelance assassin.

The other spy novels written by women that I know of are romance novels. Susan Sizemore's Too Wicked To Marry and I think 2 sequels are what come to mind first.

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

I will try, but the library is missing S5, so that has to come from Amazon.

[moiread]

Amusingly enough, I came to comment on this post about a TV show you might like! I just didn't expect to find a thread already here. The show I mean is not a spy show at all, so it's tangential, but it's called "Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries" and it made me think of you and your love of crime novels.

It's pretty formulaic: Plucky intrepid woman of independent means defies gender roles and social norms by gallivanting around Australia during the roaring 20s as an amateur detective! With the help of her quick wit, keen observation, and trusty pistol, she confounds the patronizing local police by solving their murders for them! Throw in a tango, a disapproving sprinster aunt, and some handsome bedfellows with sexy European accents, and you've pretty much got it. Sort of Jessica Fletcher in sassy garter stockings.

Anyway, it's fun and it's fluffy and I've enjoyed the three episodes that have aired so far. I know you're not exactly short on TV to watch, but I thought I'd toss it out there anyway.

[glinda-w.livejournal.com]

Seconded or thirded or whatevered. Haven't read them for decades, but I enjoyed them back then...

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

I do love the '20s!

[fitzcamel.livejournal.com]

Do Dorothy Dunnett's Johnson Johnson novels count?

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

I don't know, do they? I have only read her historicals.

[fitzcamel.livejournal.com]

I think they probably do, for values of spy novel that are something along the lines of "people suddenly swept into dangerous adventures and intrigue while trying to figure out what the hell is actually going on." They remind me a bit of Anthony Price, in his more baffled-protagonist and "what you see is not necessarily what you are getting" moments. The action set-pieces (with the Dunnett-ish style of terrific suspense leavened with farce, if that makes sense) are sometimes better than the character work, but I quite like them even so.

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

Anthony Price is my favorite spy novelist ever.

[zalena.livejournal.com]

So Elizabeth Wein just published one called Code Name Verity. It's currently only available in the UK (I got it through book depository: http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/ free world-wide delivery!), but it will be published in the States in May. It's a WWII era spy novel published, ostensibly, for young adults. Her book Sunbird is also a spy novel of sorts, set in the 6C Aksum Empire about a child spy and slavery in the salt mines. (What can I say, she doesn't write easy books.)

There is also a great book called Restless about a female WWII era spy... but it is written by a man: William Boyd. It's about what it takes to get out of the game.

Also, if you haven't seen Homeland I would highly recommend it. It's about a female bipolar intelligence analyst obsessed with a POW and convinced he's been turned. How this plays out is not as you will expect it and I suspect the story still has a long (game) way to go. It's pretty dark, but also the best television I've seen in a very long time. It's led me to think that the so-called "death of broadcast television" may have been the best thing for the medium in a very long time.

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

I had not thought of Sunbird, but you're right, it does qualify. Thanks for the other recs.

[mechaieh.livejournal.com]

I have no idea how well her books have aged, but I remember liking them in the eighties, when I was a teenager.

Likewise. Pray for a Brave Heart was in fact my introduction to Rilke (it quotes from http://www.thebeckoning.com/poetry/rilke/rilke4.html">Autumn Day (http://www.thebeckoning.com/poetry/rilke/rilke4.html)).

[auriaephiala.livejournal.com]

My mother loved Ann Bridge, so I collected many for her. When I tried to read them myself, I found they rather ... ummm... reflected the attitudes of her time and class.

One classic author who hasn't been mentioned yet is Mary Stewart.

And there's the Johnson Johnson spy thrillers by Dorothy Dunnett, which are best read as entertainments but are nonetheless wonderful. Especially some of the set-pieces in Dolly and the Doctor Bird (aka Rum Affair).

[desperance.livejournal.com]

Definitely try the Dorothy Dunnetts (confusingly, they have two sets of titles: first released in all cases as Dolly and the [something various] Bird - Dolly being a yacht, as it happens, and the Birds being the young women who take turns to narrate the books - they were reissued with dully geographical names) (except the last one, which came out coordinated with the reissues, so was called Moroccan Traffic in the UK, and Send a Fax to the Kasbah in the US). If the reissue was meant to boost sales, it didn't work. Start with Dolly and the Bird of Paradise, aka Tropical Issue, if you can.

[rikibeth.livejournal.com]

And they are based on a series of mysteries by Kerry Greenwood. Not spies, but DELICIOUS CANDY.