Artificial equations
May. 19th, 2005 10:20 pmI know I'm post-y today. Sorry. I promise no more babbling on until I'm back from Michigan on Sunday. I'll have e-mail and internet access at our hotel, but I have no idea how much time I'll have. (
markgritter and I are joining
seagrit and various other NOLJ family members for my little brother-in-law Matt's college graduation. The PotUS will be the graduation speaker. I hope to have nothing whatever to say about that, but we'll see.)
Anyway: over at
matociquala's, a bunch of us are talking about John Kessel and Ender's Game and many good things of that nature. Other people have had branching-off posts from it, too. I ended up saying this:
It's like "The Cold Equations." The author has set it up to make his point: the choice is deliberately impossible. In both cases, the author sets it up so that it feels to the reader like a natural thing, like "the world" has done this, but in fact it's not natural at all, it's extremely artificial, human-created.
I have grown extremely skeptical of situations where "the world" demands much of anything. Not that I think they don't exist, but that they are often used in authorial slight of hand, especially in spec fic where you have the choice of your worldbuilding. "The world" doesn't like magic-users: why not? More often than not because the author wants a disadvantage to magic use, or because the author wants to write about besieged smart people in disguise. And it's fine to do that, but it's also fine to criticize it, to say, no, human nature isn't like that: human survival does not rely on vicious abuse of a gifted little boy, and it never will. That will never be the only option unless we make it into the only option. I would like to have seen that recognition from Card, and I don't think it's in any of the books at all.
I wanted to put that where I could poke at it and see if anything else came out. Especially if some of you want to poke at it with me.
I also want to say that accepting things as "laws of nature" that are actually human decisions is responsible for a good deal of misery throughout history and into the present, and spotting it in fiction may well be a useful exercise, because we will need to keep spotting it in our lives. Finding a multiplicity of choices where we're handed two bad ones, or one, or none, is one of the things creativity is concretely good for. We're not excused from it just because it's easier to choose between killing the alien race and sacrificing ourselves than to see what other options might exist. Manufacturing things that aren't evil when we're handed the choice of the lesser of two evils: that's part of the job of being human. Sometimes we fail in it. But the effort is not optional.
Anyway: over at
It's like "The Cold Equations." The author has set it up to make his point: the choice is deliberately impossible. In both cases, the author sets it up so that it feels to the reader like a natural thing, like "the world" has done this, but in fact it's not natural at all, it's extremely artificial, human-created.
I have grown extremely skeptical of situations where "the world" demands much of anything. Not that I think they don't exist, but that they are often used in authorial slight of hand, especially in spec fic where you have the choice of your worldbuilding. "The world" doesn't like magic-users: why not? More often than not because the author wants a disadvantage to magic use, or because the author wants to write about besieged smart people in disguise. And it's fine to do that, but it's also fine to criticize it, to say, no, human nature isn't like that: human survival does not rely on vicious abuse of a gifted little boy, and it never will. That will never be the only option unless we make it into the only option. I would like to have seen that recognition from Card, and I don't think it's in any of the books at all.
I wanted to put that where I could poke at it and see if anything else came out. Especially if some of you want to poke at it with me.
I also want to say that accepting things as "laws of nature" that are actually human decisions is responsible for a good deal of misery throughout history and into the present, and spotting it in fiction may well be a useful exercise, because we will need to keep spotting it in our lives. Finding a multiplicity of choices where we're handed two bad ones, or one, or none, is one of the things creativity is concretely good for. We're not excused from it just because it's easier to choose between killing the alien race and sacrificing ourselves than to see what other options might exist. Manufacturing things that aren't evil when we're handed the choice of the lesser of two evils: that's part of the job of being human. Sometimes we fail in it. But the effort is not optional.
Brilliant formulation
Date: 2005-05-20 04:52 am (UTC)I love your bringing up "The Cold Equations" and the way it confuses the Way the World Is or Laws of Nature with situations created by human decisions. Your formulation, "human survival does not rely on vicious abuse of a gifted little boy, and it never will. That will never be the only option unless we makit it into the only option."
I am too afraid that human societies keep choosing to create this option, and to insist that there is no alternative, and to justify it as good. That's one of the reasons I have so much trouble with Card's writing--because he speaks for a vision that is all too common, not just in our culture. It's profoundly wrong, IMHO, and a source of unending tragedy and a continued cycle of destruction.
J. Kessel
Re: Brilliant formulation
Date: 2005-05-20 12:08 pm (UTC)I think one of the things that made all this clearer to me was reading Adam Hochschild's Bury the Chains. There's a passage where one of the earnest abolitionist clergy is making his argument, and it doesn't occur to him to consider that possibly dark-skinned people are not inherently better suited to heavy labor. Instead, the abolitionist argues that their skin color is a matter of environment, since the later generations of slaves are, for reasons he assumes are climatological and we know to be genetic, lighter-skinned than their ancestors. That someone on the correct side of the issue would accept those premises so thoroughly pointed out the importance of reframing these things to me.
(And, to say some of what I said to
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Date: 2005-05-20 05:14 am (UTC)Construction worker opens his lunchbox. "Tuna sandwiches again! I hate tuna sandwiches!"
A workmate: "Why don't you ask your wife to make you something else?"
"What good would that do? I make my own lunch."
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Date: 2005-05-20 11:56 am (UTC)The main character knows from the very beginning that he's dealing with another human being -- why? If this happens often enough with men rather than girls that he expects it, why don't they CHECK FOR IT BEFORE LEAVING? The stowaway girl knows where the pod is going but not how delicate the calculations are -- why? (Because she's a bubble-headed little girl, and if she was a big tough man, she'd have known the hard hard math? Or because they don't tell anybody how close they are to disaster? Heaven knows I wouldn't admit to it.) He can't throw out stuff -- the chair, the pen and pad of paper, the container with the vials in it, both of their clothes, the printer paper, something -- but he can let her sit around the ship for a goodly time before he absolutely has to let her go? Better to get rid of inanimate crap earlier. Or even animate crap -- you can't tell me an engineering type like that doesn't have at least a little knife, and better to throw hunks of girlflesh out the airlock with the chair and the clothes than the whole girl. But as we get the play-by-play of the main character's thoughts, it's all regret and no consideration. (I reread the story last night.) There's no, "What if I threw out the chair? No, that would only be X pounds. Well, what if I held the serum vials and maybe some of their packaging materials on my lap during landing and threw the larger container out with the chair and paper?" Not even, "Too bad I can't throw out x, y, and z." Just the consideration of the choices Godwin wants us to see: one girl's death or everyone's.
Certainly the laws of physics are not man-made: Godwin makes that obvious point rather clearly. And certainly wishing won't make everything come out smiley and happy. But if an engineering student handed in this design for a sophomore-level project, the kid would deserve to fail, because wishing that nothing will ever go wrong is also incredibly stupid, and making that wish will not make it so, either.
I think one of the reasons I start picking at the design choices is that the focus on "but she's only a girrrrrrrrl" pushes exactly the wrong buttons for me. It damages the story's credibility rather than turning up the pathos. And once it's already being totally idiotic in that direction, it's lost my suspension of disbelief in the direction of the engineering constraints.
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Date: 2005-05-20 06:28 pm (UTC)Anyway, I think this story falls into the tragedy category. Things are supposed to go wrong. Problem solver types need to turn off that portion of their brain while reading them.
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Date: 2005-05-23 09:24 pm (UTC)Notice that I'm not criticizing "The Cold Equations" on the basis of the propulsion systems of the large ships. That's the scientific paper criticism. This is basic story-construction.
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Date: 2005-05-20 01:15 pm (UTC)(Also if he'd eased off on the "I'd happily kill a man -- love to, in fact! three or four men! lots of men! -- but a girl, oh, the horror" aspect. But that's generational, whereas the engineering stuff is just dumbassery.)
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Date: 2005-05-20 04:43 pm (UTC)And yes, the age of the story shows in some other areas, like the angst about killing the girl.
People are *still* having angst about killing the girl, so far as I can see; that's why I consider it such a crushing argument. People *still* are rejecting it out-of-hand, mostly.
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Date: 2005-05-23 01:20 pm (UTC)I agree that Marilyn had to go out the shoot once all the other mistakes had been made. I wasn't even sorry to see the little twit go. But Godwin seems to want me to think that hers was the only mistake and the rest was just the laws of the universe, the cold equations of the title, and he didn't put nearly enough thought into the details for me to buy that.
People broke it.
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Date: 2005-05-20 12:25 pm (UTC)Even beyond that--accepting things as "laws of nature" and using that as an excuse not to do anything is responsible for a good deal of misery. I read a book arguing for a federal living wage law, and whatever its weaknesses (dismissing a counterargument with "I'm assuming universal health care," for example), one particular sentence has stuck with me. Paraphrase: "Even if 'the law of supply and demand' is the same kind of law of nature as 'the law of gravity,' we would do well to remember that we figured out how to build airplanes and fly."
Saying something is "a law of nature" and expecting that to win an argument, like saying something is "unnatural," generally is a statement about people's set agendas than any kind of actual empiricism.
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Date: 2005-05-20 12:33 pm (UTC)Right. And what I don't understand is, if it is considered noble and admirable to sacrifice oneself by refusing to do one evil thing, why isn't it considered more noble and admirable to *risk* self-sacrifice by *risking* failure at manufacturing a non-evil solution? Is it because martyrdom is only attractive if one gets to know that's what one is doing?
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Date: 2005-05-20 01:15 pm (UTC)Um. All this gets very complicated.
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Date: 2005-05-20 02:59 pm (UTC)In those instances where I have proposed something like that (be it in my own pitiful writings or RPG game scenarios or whathaveyou) I always try to have a clear reason why, even if it never comes up. "The world" may distrust magic users, but it's because of a long-ago series of wizard-despots, or a charismatic religious leader who convinced people it involves humping demons or whathaveyou.
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Date: 2005-05-20 03:22 pm (UTC)In the Arabian Nights sequence there were plenty of stories in which people profited through use of magic and went on to lead decent, rewarding lives, involved in their families and communities. This suggests to me that the bias is plainly cultural, and more Judeo-Christian than Islamic.
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Date: 2005-05-22 01:35 am (UTC)It's hard for me to see things like that as Judeo-Christian when I've been hip deep in folklore that involves Icelandic Christian priests who were also said to be sorcerers. Not the norm, sure, but also not out of the realm of the possible. Christianity has existed in and coexisted with a lot of other cultural factors.
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Date: 2005-05-22 02:35 pm (UTC)And maybe I'm too influenced by the fantasy that was on TV when I was growing up. (I liked them a lot, but Jeannie and Samantha were nothing but trouble and 'The Twilight Zone' was preachy, and of course the paradigm for tv shows at that time demanded that the status quo be preserved.)
I'd like to see more of the stories where magic has positive, useful effects in people's lives.
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Date: 2005-05-23 01:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-05-21 10:42 pm (UTC)BTW, I spent several years of my childhood in Grand Rapids, MN (up near Bemidji, about 50 miles south of Winnepeg). I now live in San Jose, CA. I thought you might find that amusing.
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Date: 2005-05-22 01:36 am (UTC)You know what I miss about San Jose? Garlic fries from Gordon Biersch. Mmmmmmmmm.
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