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Joan Aiken, The Serial Garden. This is a collection of short stories for children and adults, all centered around a family to whom rather matter-of-fact magic happens. I found them utterly charming. At this point I'd rank them very highly amidst Aiken's other work. Very much recommended.

Renee Bergland, Maria Mitchell and the Sexing of Science: An Astronomer Among the American Romantics. For such an interesting book, this wasn't very well-written; or else for such a badly written book, it was very interesting. I think mostly I found the subject matter inherently interesting. Bergland seems to have written for a reader who was not paying attention. I was not that reader. So the favorite bits of trivia that got repeated several times over the course of the book were fairly noticeable as such. I know sometimes writers find shiny bits we want to display to the other birds, but I wish this had been more closely edited.

Boy Scouts of America, Order of the Arrow Handbook. Grandpa's. This is the book of Grandpa's I most wish I had read before he died, because now I have questions about his personal experience of it. It's a 1961 book, so it's something he got well after joining the Order of the Arrow as a boy, and it's fascinating to me to see how this book is pitched: it's explicitly about inculcating anti-totalitarian attitudes in boys who do not remember WWII, for men who do. Some of the assumptions about manliness and about a substantially white boys' organization to Native American/First Nations cultures are extremely dated, but this book, at least, was the good kind of dated; among other things, it encouraged boys to do research into tribal customs in their own region and not accept a homogenized national picture of North America before European arrival. (There were also phrases that have shifted meaning somewhat in the 48 years since this book's publication; I was startled to read that many chapters of the Order of the Arrow had "dance teams," as for me "dance team" meant essentially "pom-pom squad," so I had to go look and see what they meant instead, since I had a hunch that was not it. What they mean is narrative dance. Did my grandpa do narrative dance? He might have. I really don't know. I'd kind of like to know, and I'd kind of like to know what stories he was part of telling if he did.)

Steven Brust ([livejournal.com profile] skzbrust), Iorich. Discussed elsewhere.

Christopher Chant, The Zeppelin: the History of German Airships from 1900 to 1937. Grandpa's. A largely pictorial history, although it was very concerned with which models of engine went on which models of Zeppelin. Who doesn't like to look at pictures of Zeppelins? Also their name means Stork! That's pretty awesome.

W.E.B. Griffin, The Corps: Semper Fi. Grandpa's. I liked this better than the other Griffin book I've read so far, because the spies in it did actual spying, which I favor. It traced a perfectly good enlisted man becoming an officer, but some things can't be helped, I suppose. I will be interested to read the rest of this series. I suspect this Pearl Harbor incident is going to cause them some trouble. Stay tuned to see whether it does.

Robert A. Holland, The Mississippi River in Maps and Views: From Lake Itasca to the Gulf of Mexico. Like it says on the label. It started with some very early Spanish and French maps that were, as many maps of their era, heavier on concept than on geography. "Over here somewhere there's a river, and we kind of think it goes like this," sorts of things. "We are used to drawing the Mediterranean," some of them seem to say, "and surely the Caribbean cannot be much different really." I am so fond of my river.

Nancy Kress, Nano Comes to Clifford Falls and Other Stories. Kress wrote one of the books that has consistently remained in my "top five short story collections ever" list a decade now, Aliens of Earth. It's really unfair of me to read Nano Comes to Clifford Falls and think, "That's no Aliens of Earth," because really, nothing is. I found most of the stories entertaining, albeit with a whiff of You Damn Kids Get Off My Lawn about some of them. I still think Kress is one of the most worthwhile short story writers working in the field today. But if you're only going to read one of her collections, this shouldn't be it.

Lois Lowry, The Willoughbys. Sort of along the lines of Lemony Snicket: horrible things happen to a bunch of children, and they turn out all right mostly. This read to me like a book being written for adults under the guise of being written for children, with all sorts of nudging about more famous children's books. I hoped to be charmed, and was not.

Elizabeth Moon, Once a Hero. Follows on the Heris Serrano trilogy but with a new main character working through her past issues and her present attempts to avoid explosive decompression, slavery to evil empires, and other nasty fates. Not deep but fun. I suspect there is more than one young person out there who needs to hear the things about their family of origin this book will say.

Nnedi Okorafor-Mbachu, Zahrah the Windseeker. Now here is where I was charmed, in that batch of YAs from the library. Sometimes what you need is a straight-up quest story, with fantastical beasts and plants in, and this was that, a lovely trek through a jungle of great dangers, in which the young heroine finds more inner resources than she thought she had. Is that new? Of course it's not new. It's been done so many times because it's worth doing so many times, and because it's worth doing well, and this time is done well.

Philip Reeve, Larklight. I don't think of myself as cranky about steampunk. But certainly I am less delighted by it than many people. This was another one that read to me like the grown-ups winking at each other over the kids' heads, and being a grown-up who catches the references didn't actually improve the experience for me. It had a few moments with Fabulous Aliens, but I was not won over.

Red Stangland, Ole and Lena #5. Grandpa's. Uff da, you can get to some really bad jokes if you put out five of these things. Even though they're not very long. But I remember Grandpa telling some of these.

Donald Tuzin, The Cassowary's Revenge: The Life and Death of Masculinity in a New Guinea Society. This is what happens when anthropologists get too attached to the culture they're studying. It was an entire book of "but--but--I liked it the way it was!" And sometimes there were even halfway decent reasons to like it the way it was. Sometimes. But.

Joseph Wambaugh, Hollywood Station. Grandpa's. This book was very taken with its own gritty, unflinching realism. I was not. Nor was I taken with its difficulties treating women and people of color as, y'know, people rather than a special category. The dialog had that "but I wrote down what they actually said!" problem (Wambaugh himself was a police officer in Southern California). Also, Ilya is by default a man's name. This is like naming your bosomy, sexy, American female prostitute character Mike because you heard Americans were often named Mike: you can do it, but someone should notice that there's something a little odd about it.

Date: 2009-10-01 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reveritas.livejournal.com
Hmm, sounds like I need to read that Lois Lowry book.

Date: 2009-10-02 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Well, it won't take you long, so it's unlikely to do much harm if you don't like it. Very short book.

Date: 2009-10-02 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stillnotbored.livejournal.com
In my quest to find YA that doesn't bore me, I bought Zahrah the Windseeker. I adore this book. Great book and I forgot it was supposed to be YA.

Date: 2009-10-02 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
That's very curious for me to hear, because its sentence structure and prose style were a great deal more overtly YA than most of the YAs I read.

Date: 2009-10-02 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stillnotbored.livejournal.com
It wasn't sentence structure or prose style that bored me. I read for story and character and cool worldbuilding.

Boredom came from paper thin worldbuilding, potential for conflict set up but never followed through, and knowing just about every plot development before it happened. There were no surprises for me, nothing to pull me through to the end of the book.

I've been telling friends that the books I couldn't finish all felt shallow to me and that is exactly what it was. Some of these books really disappointed me. They had so much potential, could have been so much richer and they settled for the bare minimum surface.

Kids are smarter than that. I'm smarter than that. The books I gave up on didn't even try.

Date: 2009-10-02 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Yep, we've talked about this before and will just have to continue to disagree amiably, because I just don't see a strong split between YA and adult on the number of books that are shallow and predictable with half-assed worldbuilding. Sadly we have plenty of those in both categories.

Date: 2009-10-02 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stillnotbored.livejournal.com
Oh I've never denied that there are some truly awful adult books out there too. It does go both ways. I don't read those books either.

The issue I have is that YA is constantly held up to me as being superior in terms of storytelling and cool stuff. I hear over and over, from all kinds of places, that YA is where all the best and most innovative fantasy is at these days. I've had people tell me that this or that YA book was the best book written in the last ten years, by anyone, adult or YA author.

And I'm not seeing it. I keep looking, I keep trying more books, but I'm not seeing what others see.

Date: 2009-10-02 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Yah, I don't think YA is superior. I don't think adult is superior. I don't think mystery is superior to fantasy or vice versa, either. Different genres and categories are trying to do different things, and many/most have some worthwhile offerings and some real turkeys.

And I sympathize with you not liking YA as much as a lot of folks, because I don't like paranormal romance as much as a lot of folks. I get what it's aiming for, but it doesn't do that for me. And I know it does do that for its big fans. So analogy is our friend.

Date: 2009-10-02 01:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pameladean
Oh, goodness, your grandpa had a book by Chrestomanci about zeppelins! That's glorious.

Ahem. Sorry.

P.

Date: 2009-10-02 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dichroic.livejournal.com
Yeah. It made me wonder *why* Chrestomanci is researching zeppelins. The possibilities are endless...

(Also, just yesterday I read an interview (http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6571179.html) with DWJ in which she says (at the very end) "sooner or later is that most of my books come true eventually ... though you never know which bit is actually going to come true." Apparently this is a true bit.)

Date: 2009-10-02 07:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
I was just coming down here to make that comment. <g>

Date: 2009-10-02 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
No need to be sorry; I was delighted by it too (http://mrissa.livejournal.com/665081.html).

Date: 2009-10-02 03:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pameladean
I'm not sure how I missed that the first time around. September 5th. Oh, well, I'll blame LJ.

I think zeppelins are particularly appropriate because of the alternate-worlds business; he'll have been somewhere where they flourish more than here.

P.

Date: 2009-10-02 03:09 pm (UTC)
aedifica: Me with my hair as it is in 2020: long, with blue tips (Default)
From: [personal profile] aedifica
That's almost exactly what I was going to comment and you beat me to it. :P

Date: 2009-10-02 03:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aliseadae
I suppose Zeppelins are exciting enough for Chrestomanci to be interested in them.

Date: 2009-10-02 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathshaffer.livejournal.com
I am getting cranky about steampunk, too. I found it rather intriguing at first, before it was actually called "steampunk." Now I think maybe it should die.

I also am starting to have thoughts about YA that is not actually written for young adults, but for other adults. I am not sure there's anything wrong with that. I am wondering if it is filling a need on the part of the author to write a tightly plotted narrative that is less than 75,000 pages and lets them relive their high school years, and a need in the reader for same. I don't want to start naming names, but I am seeing quite a lot of YA books coming out that I can't actually imagine the YA audience being interested in (although I haven't read them yet, so I could be wrong). And since I am a parent of a representative of that audience, I feel like I have a lens, there. There is this whole other category of YA that my son reads, but I never see people enthusing about it on blogs and such because the authors aren't bloggers and aren't personal friends with people in the genre, etc. Just once I'd like to see people excited about the new Eoian Colfer or Brandon Mull or something.

Date: 2009-10-02 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reveritas.livejournal.com
I am getting cranky about steampunk, too. I found it rather intriguing at first, before it was actually called "steampunk." Now I think maybe it should die.

I'm just wondering what people are going to do with all the mechanical bits and goggles and bobbles once it's run its course. I like the aesthetic of it for now (and the "recycle old stuff"-type principle is timely!) but ... it is going to die, and then what about all that stuff?

Date: 2009-10-02 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Grandchildren cleaning out the basement or the attic will be very, very confused, is what.

Or it'll get passed down to little kids as dress-up, and there'll be Steampunk Day at grade schools the way there was Hippie Day when I was a kid.

Date: 2009-10-02 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reveritas.livejournal.com
Or it'll get passed down to little kids as dress-up, and there'll be Steampunk Day at grade schools the way there was Hippie Day when I was a kid.

OK, THAT is the best possible solution, here.

Date: 2009-10-02 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Sometimes children's pickiness and adult pickiness are orthogonal. One of the obvious examples is Garfield comics: for most adults, the jokes are extremely tired. For many kids, the jokes are brand-new, and they're a type of funny the kids totally get. This isn't just humor, though--there are things like wooden prose style that are easier to sell to kids than adults because they're critical on different axes. So while I don't know if Brandon Mull is one of them (he's on my list to try), I think there are going to be books that are getting raves from kids and not from adults, not because the adults are not pals with the writers but because they're hitting a more specific target audience.

When Shel Silverstein wrote Uncle Shelby's ABZ Book, nobody tried to treat it as a children's book even though it had the external form of one. Would that this happened more often. I certainly don't have a problem with books referring briefly to things most of the kids won't get the first time through--but briefly, for heaven's sake. The more you wink and nudge and snicker over the child's head, the less I like it.

I'm glad that the boom in YA is putting books for broad age ranges into more hands than they might otherwise reach--[livejournal.com profile] pameladean's Secret Country books are the first example that comes to mind, published initially as adult and later as YA. I just think that it's still shaking out which books work well that way and which ones really don't.

Date: 2009-10-02 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathshaffer.livejournal.com
What I sort of wonder is if the YA hasn't become a refuge for writers and readers who do NOT want every book they read to be a doorstop filled with S/M and five thousand characters. It certainly seemed for a while that the proverbial "slim volume" had become extinct.

Date: 2009-10-02 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
I think there's probably some of that, but I also think that YA is selling really, really well, so some people are getting encouraged to pitch their books to a YA audience.

Part of the reason I think this is that I was talking to an agent a few years back, with whom I did not end up becoming a client. She suggested that I rewrite the adult novel I'd sent her as a YA, knocking ten years off the main character's age. She did not, she told me, rep YA, but she heard there was a lot of money in it. I was fairly convinced that the characterization would suffer to the point of being a book I didn't want to write if I did that, and I was not at all impressed with the idea that someone who didn't rep a genre had a set of very shallow suggestions for how to make a book fit that genre; it sounded a lot like, "Step 3: Profit!" to me. But it makes me wonder how many other people who didn't work in YA or read widely in it have said, "Cash cow! Hurrah!" in the last few years.

Date: 2009-10-02 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathshaffer.livejournal.com
Yes, exactly.

Date: 2009-10-02 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zalena.livejournal.com
Hated Larklight, it seemed like British Imperialism rewarmed for kids. I did however, very much enjoy his Hungry City Chronicles. Initially I found it a little too brutal for my taste, but the ending was so marvelous it made the full series worth the read. This is in part why I found Larklight so irritating. Hungry City Chronicles had a great deal more complexity and moral ambiguity than: God Save the Queen and Spiders = Bad.

I have not heard of this AIken collection. It sounds marvelous. Is it still in print?

I am currently on the second book in Sherwood Smith's series. I liked Inda, but I like The Fox even more. I don't know when I started to be able to read nautical, but I keep thinking how much more this is like I wanted another, less liked, nautically themed fantasy to be.

Date: 2009-10-02 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
The Aiken collection is new to print, actually; Small Beer only just put it out.

Date: 2009-10-02 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zalena.livejournal.com
Thanks!

Date: 2009-10-02 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
I thought the God Save the Queen was meant to be ironic but not ironic enough.

Which to me was the wrong amount of ironic in both directions.

I know when I started to be able to read nautical: 1989. Yay, The Fox!

Date: 2009-10-02 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zalena.livejournal.com
I think mine was sometime after I struggled through Richard Henry Dana (Jr)'s Two Years Before the Mast. It is one of those books that is useful to have read, but the process of reading it was painful for me at that time. In part because my absolute lack of nautical knowledge.

Date: 2009-10-02 03:13 pm (UTC)
aedifica: Me with my hair as it is in 2020: long, with blue tips (Default)
From: [personal profile] aedifica
If you already know Aiken, this collection is all of her Armitage stories pulled together in one place, including two that hadn't been published anywhere before. Very much recommended!

Date: 2009-10-02 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] papersky.livejournal.com
In my opinion, Semper Fi is the best of the Griffins. I read it as a kind of weird romance story that kept trying to push buttons I didn't have. I also thought at first "OMG a whole book about Bobby Shaftoe!" because I am like that.

I don't have the new Small Beer Serial Garden because I have all the stories but two in old Puffin paperbacks. I keep thinking I should get it just to be encouraging.

Date: 2009-10-02 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Yes, the similarity with romance and the buttons I didn't have were definitely there for me as well. I suspect that I may know more US Marines than you do; either way the Bobby Shaftoe thing is not at all my primary association, but I'm glad you could enjoy it that way.

Date: 2009-10-02 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaaldine.livejournal.com
I taught _The Willoughbys_ this week. I was surprised at how well my students (college-aged education majors) took to it. I was expecting indignation at children trying to kill off their parents, but they actually comprehended the humor.

I may not teach it again, though. I found it -- even the first time I read it -- to be at times entertaining, but I wanted more. Depth, I think they call it.

Are there direct allusions to _The Secret Garden_ in _The Serial Garden_?

Date: 2009-10-02 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
I'm glad they got the humor--it read as rather broad to me, but apparently my sense of humor is not completely transparent to all parties, astonishingly enough.

I don't recall any allusions to The Secret Garden, but I commend it to your attention anyway; I think you'd like it.

Date: 2009-10-02 10:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snickelish.livejournal.com
This is just to say that, as usual, I greatly enjoyed the round-up, particularly your description of the Holland book. And also that now I'm even more interested in the Okorafor-Mbachu book than I already was.

Date: 2009-10-03 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] writingortyping.livejournal.com
I hoped to be charmed, and was not.

Efficient, devastating, perfect.

Ole and Lena jokes... Uff da, indeed (I knew my law school roommate had spent a lot of time with me when we were touring an apartment for rent, and I heard her inhale behind me and say, "Uff da." She is from New Jersey, and of Welsh extraction).

Date: 2009-10-04 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Uff da is for everybody!

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