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So [livejournal.com profile] timprov and I were talking about the possibility of a San Francisco spin-off of Criminal Minds, and how stupid it would be because the BAU goes everywhere. And I decided what I really want instead! [livejournal.com profile] timprov thinks it's a good idea that would not work in the least with anybody working in television right now, but since they don't call me up to ask anyway, I don't have to worry about that. What I want is:

Criminal Minds: Vienna or Criminal Alienists. It's not set in 2010. It's set in 1910! And so this whole psychology thing is really cutting-edge scary science stuff. The ethnic minority team member (yah, I once thought we could have more than one, too, but that was before they replaced Brunette with Brunette and Middle-Aged White Guy with Middle-Aged White Guy) is Romany, and nobody knows that the J.J. character is secretly an Emma Goldman-style anarchist. (Except the Reid character. He knows but doesn't say anything.) The Garcia character runs their train car full of interesting machines, and her hand on the telegraph is so fast and precise it has to be heard to be believed. And they dash about Central Europe solving murders! And if the show lasts more than three years there is WWI to contend with! Awesome, no? Yes. Awesome.

Also, after having watched the pilot of In Plain Sight, which was incredibly paint-by-numbers, I have decided that I am tired of cop heroines who are Tough But Vulnerable, and I want some who are Tough But...Also Tough. I am sick unto death of heroines who are being trotted out to cry on cue as if they're on Oprah, all because the writers don't trust us to see that people have more emotions than they show to their co-workers on a daily basis. Bah. I say again: bah.

So then in my head Geena Davis was doing this scene, and the new guy cop was trying to assure her that he was sensitive to how much harder it could be for her as a woman. She raises her voice and says to the other cops, "Skippy here says he feels my womanly pain on this job." They laugh. She says, "There are two choices here. One is that I am really just a hardass cop like those other hardass cops, and you have just gotten on my last damn nerve. The other is that this is a facade I put up so I can deal with the tough cases, and you've just stepped on my coping mechanism in the middle of a case. Either way, not smart. Oh wait, I forgot the third option." And then she leans in completely straight-faced and says, "I'm Batman."

So really the question remaining is: is Geena Davis really Batman? Because I could also see Jane Lynch doing this one (and possibly being Batman, not sure). Addressing young men as Skippy seems like it would work for either of them. Anyway I want the Tough But Also Tough heroine to have a similarly Tough best friend--maybe it's a show about both of them. Okay, I like this. One is a cop and the other is an emergency department pediatrician. And neither one of them is the sweet vulnerable one, because: emergency peds, seriously, not for the "but I weep like a little girl" personality. And periodically somebody says to one of them, "I could never do what you do," and the reply is always, "No, probably not." And they have a third, much nicer friend, who has strengths of her own, but they are not her. Yah. That.

Also nobody would ever get stuck on a plane. In the Criminal Alienists show, they wouldn't even get stuck on a dirigible. Because I am so far over the stuck-onna-plane plot that it looks like an ant from here. An ant I could squish with my stompy boot, and would like to. Seriously, TV writers. Make a note. Stuck-onna-plane and stuck-innan-elevator are Intro Creative Writing plots. They say, "Help! I want to do character and don't know how to do plot!" Learn how, or get comfortable with not being very plotty--your call, just don't keep giving me onna-plane, because I am done.

Date: 2010-04-24 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orbitalmechanic.livejournal.com
If you promise that female tough cop's father won't appear on the show, I'm sold. MAN I'm tired of that.

Date: 2010-04-24 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Fine with me. What if both the pediatrician's parents appear for a cobbled-together holiday meal, and they are very mellow people who have more or less completely adjusted to their daughter's friends, but the cop keeps apologizing for her language and the parents keep rolling their eyes? Would that hit the same tired-of buttons?

Date: 2010-04-24 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orbitalmechanic.livejournal.com
No, I only object when the dad takes over the whole storyline for a while! They can certainly have family, I'm a big fan of family.

Date: 2010-04-24 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marshallpayne1.livejournal.com
I admit to not having watched Criminal Minds yet. I need to get away from this PC. :D

Date: 2010-04-24 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
I hear tell that some people actually use their PCs for that very purpose, so you don't actually have to.

Date: 2010-04-24 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marshallpayne1.livejournal.com
That's true! :-)

Date: 2010-04-24 06:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fiddledragon
Oh my gosh, I *wish*!! That sounds *awesome*!!!

Date: 2010-04-24 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com
I would show up for Criminal Alienists every week. With popcorn.

Also for your Tough Cop and Tough Doc show. I would further appreciate it if the Tough Doc was petite and extremely pretty and NEVERTHELESS Tough As Nails.

Date: 2010-04-24 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
I had initially imagined Tessa Thompson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1935086/).

Date: 2010-04-24 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com
Works for me!

Date: 2010-04-24 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shana.livejournal.com
If you're going to stuck, stuck-inna-traffic-jam would make sense. At least in NY.

Date: 2010-04-24 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orbitalmechanic.livejournal.com
Once when I lived in California they had to halt all traffic on a highway and land a plane on it, because it couldn't make the airport! I would accept that plot, either from the traffic or the plane. Or both.

Date: 2010-04-24 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crowinator.livejournal.com
Leverage did that plot, with the highway landing and everything! It's one of the few "stuck on a plane" episodes that I like.

ETA: I would totally watch a 1910 Criminal Alienists spin-off. I hated the other BAU team that is apparently going to be the real spin-off.
Edited Date: 2010-04-24 11:15 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-04-24 07:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] moiread
I really enjoy In Plain Sight, and all of the characters are pretty great. They are fairly predictable, because they are clichés, but I've always thought they were written very well anyway. Fun clichés, maybe? I definitely don't see Mary as Oprah-ish at all. But I can't actually remember the pilot ep, so I can't remember where the writing was at when it started. You can probably assume it's gotten better, though, since that's normal with shows. And the fact that I like it doesn't necessarily mean you will -- obviously! -- but I just thought I'd throw in my $0.02.

Have you tried The Good Wife, too? It is fucking excellent. I may think that In Plain Sight is 'predictable but awesome' but The Good Wife is just plain fantastic. It's definitely in another class.
Edited Date: 2010-04-24 07:37 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-04-24 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Yah, I specified the pilot because I figured it would probably shift over time, and I wanted to make it clear exactly how little of the show made me react that way. I've now watched two more episodes, and we're starting to get into the part of the series where they've set up who is who and what is what and can have a little more in the way of fun moments. So I have hopes for more of that.

I have not even heard of The Good Wife. Will go look into it.

Date: 2010-04-24 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
The amount of money I would pay to see that Geena Davis scene is non-negligible.

She is totally Batman.

Date: 2010-04-24 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancing-crow.livejournal.com
maaan... I want whatever TV you can get your ideas on. Those sound awesome.

Date: 2010-04-24 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zalena.livejournal.com
Criminal Alienists: I would watch/read this with devotion. (It reminds me of Sally Lockhart to be honest!)

Date: 2010-04-24 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joeboo-k.livejournal.com
I want to watch your shows, the Geena Davis one in particular. She could use a new show and I think could rock that one.

Date: 2010-04-24 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] careswen.livejournal.com
Sounds good; I'd watch! If, y'know, I didn't have that whole, "I don't watch TV; I'm in grad school" problem.

Date: 2010-04-25 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fidelioscabinet.livejournal.com
I would watch Criminal Alienists. I would even splurge for Tivo so I could watchit again and again and again until teh DVD came out.

Also, the Garcia-equivalent would be an expert in Mr. Marconi's new wireless system. They might even have a ticker tape machine, used for transmitting information other than stock proces.

They could have Hungarian vs. German language issues with the team! And an irritated Slav, as well.

Date: 2010-04-25 12:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
This is good stuff. I am all for irritated Slavs in fiction. In real life not so much.

Date: 2010-04-25 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] themagdalen.livejournal.com
What time is Geena's show on?
Want.

Date: 2010-04-25 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leahbobet.livejournal.com
So I would so watch Criminal Alienists. Or want to live it. Whichever.

Date: 2010-04-25 11:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dichroic.livejournal.com
Having just finished the first four Dr. Thorndyke mysteries by R. Austin Freeman, I've concluded they are the CSI: London of their day. So Criminal Alienists doesn't seem that unlikely.

Date: 2010-04-25 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cloudscudding.livejournal.com
I would watch those! A lot.

Date: 2010-04-25 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaaldine.livejournal.com
*sigh*

I hear you.

I was hiding from a rainstorm in a Blockbuster yesterday and was irritated at the number of films with a plot of "intelligent, hard-working, successful female needs to loosen up through the antics of her immature boy toy."

Date: 2010-04-27 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rmnilsson.livejournal.com
Have you checked out Party Down? It's a low-budget comedy on Starz, created by a number of the people responsible for Veronica Mars. It's about a catering company in LA, mostly made up of people for whom it's a way to pay the bills until they make it in show biz, and one guy who has given up on acting entirely. It's got Jane Lynch, Ken Marino, Ryan Hansen, Jane Lynch, and Adam Scott (played the teacher who slept with the student in S1 of VM). I don't know whether you'd like it. But if you have Netflix, it's available to watch online.

Date: 2010-04-27 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Interesting. We don't have Netflix. Is it a half-hour show or an hour show? Half-hour shows tend to be less useful to me because I need four of them to get through one day's workout, and that ends up not working very well usually. But theoretically I could still look into it for (crazy idea) watching sometime when I'm not working out.

Date: 2010-04-28 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rmnilsson.livejournal.com
Half hour.

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