Hedge Words

[mrissa]

Tip #17 for Dealing With Mrissas:

If you're going to ask me an extremely personal question, just ask it. Do not hedge with "you don't have to answer this if you don't want to." I know I don't. I don't need permission to decide what comes out of my own mouth. Giving me your permission to respond as I see fit is patronizing and more likely to make me go Scandosotan and clam up on you. It's less likely to get your question answered, and it's less likely to get me to volunteer similar information later on.

(Even "I hope you don't mind my asking" is a safer hedge with me, because it indicates that you know you may have crossed a line in asking, not that I may have crossed a line in refusing to answer.)

I'm perfectly capable of saying, "I don't think that's any of your business" or "I prefer not to answer that question" or "I'm not going to talk about that right now" or "My goodness, why on earth would you ask me that?" I'm perfectly capable of carrying on a civilized conversation afterwards. I won't hold it against you if you ask a question I don't want to answer, unless you keep asking or act like I owe you the information. But I don't need your permission to speak or not to speak. EVER. That's not the world we're living in. And acting like you're handing out permission where you have no authority is not a good way to deal with me.

Comments

Re: Agreed

[aet.livejournal.com]

But does charing information always have to be business? Why should information (or giving advise or unwanted opinions) not be done just for the fun of it?

Re: Agreed

[mackatlaw.livejournal.com]

Interesting question. I think the context is more that of where someone is trying to inquire into a sphere or domain that really isn't there concern. If you think it is not your place to be asking someone about their sex life, then probably you shouldn't be asking. It's not a question of the fun of sharing information here; it seems more like a boundaries question instead.

Re: Agreed

[aet.livejournal.com]

You lost me here.

Why do you think sex is not fun? Why would you say stories of your sex life being without fun, only about pain that is , as it should be, hidden behind boundaries and not anyone else's business? So you think I should not talk with you at all, as we do not know each other and so your opinions are not my concern?

I think asking questions not because it is necessary is fun. In fact my lack of question asking skills makes me very sad. But in curiosity moves the world, Pandora notwithstanding.

Re: Agreed

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

I don't think anybody said sex was not fun, Aet. There's a difference between enjoying something and enjoying all possible discussions of it with all possible people.

Some things are better or more comfortable when the people participating in them have a certain level of intimacy established and a certain level of trust. What those things are, and what that level of intimacy is, will vary from culture to culture and from individual to individual. That doesn't mean that no questions are permissible, just that some should be put off until later.

Re: Agreed

[mackatlaw.livejournal.com]

Umm... I can't speak for anyone else here, so I can only say that different people have different boundaries. Personally, I need to know someone a while before I'll talk about sex. That's all I meant.

Mack

Re: Agreed

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

Just out of curiosity, Aet, is there a similar expression in Russian or Estonian? Does "none of your business" means "not in the group of things that concern you at all [business or pleasure]" or is there a different colloquialism for "not your concern", or no?

Re: Agreed

[aet.livejournal.com]

I would say Estonian "Pole sinu asi" and Russian "не твоё дело" that mean literally "it is not your thing" are the most widespread, but in both in Estonian and in Russian one can also say "this does not touch you" ... and the one asking can always retort with "does telling bite a chunk out of you?" (well, actually I use the last one about myself, as I usually feel uncomfortable when touched by another person, but if being touched does not take anything away from me, but touchy-feely people get comfort from bodily contact, then it would be just rude of me to deny them the pleasure of touching my body, would it not? )

Re: Agreed

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

If an American says "it is not your thing," they mean "it is not something you are usually interested in." "I saw a movie last night." "What did you think?" "Oh, it was okay, but it's not your thing. I wouldn't go see it if I were you."

"Does telling bite a chunk out of you?" has a near-analog in, "It's no skin off your nose," or, "It's no skin off your ass," depending on region and class and so on. It applies to doing favors or turning a blind eye as well as to answering questions.

In addition to "none of your business," we have "none of your beeswax," which is pretty juvenile but may be used to give a playful tone to the exchange.

I don't think it is rude to deny other people the pleasure of touching your body, no. It takes away your comfort in favor of someone else's comfort, and that's not an exchange you can always be required to make. Or why shouldn't they give up theirs for yours instead?

Re: need for body contact

[aet.livejournal.com]

Well, remember the experiments with little monkeys? Taking away someone's right of bodily contact can actually hurt, while the discomfort of being touched is only a preference, a whim that should be got over anyway.

Re: need for body contact

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

Aet, no. The little monkeys were deprived of all body contact. They also need food, but that doesn't mean that you, personally, have to cook for the whole city every night. Yes, most primates need to touch other mammals some of the time, but that doesn't translate that any primate who wants to touch you has a right to it. This is like the lines from high school boys: it really, really won't kill them not to.

Touching people who find discomfort in it can be really, really harmful. Studies on actual humans show that, too.

Re: need for body contact

[aet.livejournal.com]

OK, then I would approach the same issue from other side (and I am NOT , above or here, telling about right to touch me, but why I should not refuse to be touched because being touched feels just slightly uncomfortable to me).

There are many things that feel uncomfortable to me, but what I should do anyway to not discomfort others around me. Living in society is tit for tat thing - I expect others to give up some of their comfort for me ,too. They can touch me in public transport, but sometimes they have to suffer my bad smell or coughing or a whiny baby with muddy boots, too. Giving up ones comfort is never one sided in society.

Also, I do fear that one of the reasons for many of my problems is that, recalling my own problems with being touched, I have become afraid to touch anyone else when I, myself, long for that. In fact that may be one of the reasons my marriage fell apart.

Re: need for body contact

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

There is a big, big difference to me between "need for human contact" and "accidentally brushing against someone on the bus."

Whatever problems you feel you've had with being touched, I think putting them in terms of other people's rights is not the best possible thing.

Re: need for body contact

[aet.livejournal.com]

But, Marissa, what does it have to do with accidentally brushing? Do not tell you people do not talk to you in bus, putting their hand on your knee or shoulder or hand when they do so! Especially older people, with dry papery skin like to hold into the younger people whom they talking to.

Re: need for body contact

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

No, Aet, this is a cultural difference. No one would put their hand on my knee on the bus unless they were trying to pick me up. No one would hold my hand unless we were already involved. We don't do that here.

Re: need for body contact

[aet.livejournal.com]

That makes me wonder - why is it OK to hug someone whom you see first time in USA, but touching hand, shoulder or knee is forbidden? At least over here a hug is considered a lot more intimate contact (only boyfriends and Americans have hugged me, ever ... and my aunt during her son's funeral, but funeral is an exception of usual rules, i think ...)

Re: need for body contact

[mrissa.livejournal.com]

In my experience, it is only people you already are supposed to know or be close with for some reason who get hugged on first meeting. So people I have talked with on the internet extensively will hug me hello, if they know me well online but just haven't met me in person. Even some of them don't.

The only other example I can think of is when you meet someone who is likely to be marrying into your family. Then the women might hug. My godfather's girlfriend hugged me when she was introduced to me, but I was not entirely thrilled with that.

My aunties hug me every time they see me, but they would not put a hand on my knee. And they might touch my hand in conversation, but they wouldn't hold my hand.